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	<title>Comments on: Google Wave Versus the Rest, Feature by Feature</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Sargent</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1659</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Sargent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google should probably hire you for PR/Marketing.  ;)

Judging by the pitiful stats that Wave is getting (there&#039;s some hitwise stats recently that show Wave is swiftly becoming as big of a flop as the Nexus One&#039;s week one sales), they could use someone on staff who can actually explain what this platform can do.

Of course, this is because Google almost exclusively hires codemonkey engineers.

That&#039;s great for their software &amp; systems work, but it means that they consistently fail at things where they&#039;re required to interface with &quot;real&quot; people (i.e. customer service, and PR/Marketing -- again, the Nexus One fail is a good example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google should probably hire you for PR/Marketing.  <img src='http://smarterware.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Judging by the pitiful stats that Wave is getting (there&#8217;s some hitwise stats recently that show Wave is swiftly becoming as big of a flop as the Nexus One&#8217;s week one sales), they could use someone on staff who can actually explain what this platform can do.</p>
<p>Of course, this is because Google almost exclusively hires codemonkey engineers.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great for their software &amp; systems work, but it means that they consistently fail at things where they&#8217;re required to interface with &#8220;real&#8221; people (i.e. customer service, and PR/Marketing &#8212; again, the Nexus One fail is a good example).</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Burchill</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Burchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to compare it to other colobration products you should defenitly include Office Web Access and SharePoint 2010 Foundations server... These are the similar offereing from Microsoft. Office Web Access is the free web based version for the Internet and SharePoint Foundations Server is the inhouse corporate version... Both run in a web browser and offer similar functionality to Google Docs &amp; Wave.

If you are going to do a comparison leaving out Microsoft&#039;s would be a big ommision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to compare it to other colobration products you should defenitly include Office Web Access and SharePoint 2010 Foundations server&#8230; These are the similar offereing from Microsoft. Office Web Access is the free web based version for the Internet and SharePoint Foundations Server is the inhouse corporate version&#8230; Both run in a web browser and offer similar functionality to Google Docs &amp; Wave.</p>
<p>If you are going to do a comparison leaving out Microsoft&#8217;s would be a big ommision.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Trapani</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1632</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Trapani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all--just to clarify again:

The purpose of this chart is to explain Google Wave in terms of its similarities and differences from existing group collaboration offerings. It is by no means complete. For space reasons, I left out a LOT of issues, like federation, extensions, mobile, add-ons, details of how different things are handled. Again, this is meant to be a broad, at-a-glance overview.

In general if something required an external add-on, I didn&#039;t consider that a feature of the product or type of product. I realize that comparing types of products (forums, wikis) against specific products (Google Docs, Wave) is apples-to-oranges, but again, this is a BROAD overview. I don&#039;t feel that a particular wiki or forum product can represent the entire genre the way Google Docs represents web-based office suites. I didn&#039;t have the space to get into the nitty gritty of one forum or wiki product over another. THAT chart would have been monstrous.

So, yes, I made a few generalizations here both in and not in Wave&#039;s favor. (For example, there is a Wave bot that exports blips, but IMO it sucks, so I didn&#039;t give Wave a &quot;yes&quot; for exporting documents.)

Again, this chart is for the purpose of illustrating to readers of a book about Wave how Wave compares to similar types of products. My apologies for having to generalize a bit for the sake of space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all&#8211;just to clarify again:</p>
<p>The purpose of this chart is to explain Google Wave in terms of its similarities and differences from existing group collaboration offerings. It is by no means complete. For space reasons, I left out a LOT of issues, like federation, extensions, mobile, add-ons, details of how different things are handled. Again, this is meant to be a broad, at-a-glance overview.</p>
<p>In general if something required an external add-on, I didn&#8217;t consider that a feature of the product or type of product. I realize that comparing types of products (forums, wikis) against specific products (Google Docs, Wave) is apples-to-oranges, but again, this is a BROAD overview. I don&#8217;t feel that a particular wiki or forum product can represent the entire genre the way Google Docs represents web-based office suites. I didn&#8217;t have the space to get into the nitty gritty of one forum or wiki product over another. THAT chart would have been monstrous.</p>
<p>So, yes, I made a few generalizations here both in and not in Wave&#8217;s favor. (For example, there is a Wave bot that exports blips, but IMO it sucks, so I didn&#8217;t give Wave a &#8220;yes&#8221; for exporting documents.)</p>
<p>Again, this chart is for the purpose of illustrating to readers of a book about Wave how Wave compares to similar types of products. My apologies for having to generalize a bit for the sake of space.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Ripalda</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Ripalda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A combination of etherpad and notepub gives you a yes in all columns.

The way I use this is by inserting links to pages in etherpad from notes in notepub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A combination of etherpad and notepub gives you a yes in all columns.</p>
<p>The way I use this is by inserting links to pages in etherpad from notes in notepub.</p>
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		<title>By: onomato.myopenid.com/</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>onomato.myopenid.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope that Wave will be adopted by many, but right now it doesn&#039;t look that way. Basically it&#039;s open now, because we all have invites left, but not many peoople are using it.

In the above list it looks a bit like you have listed all the functions of Wave and then compared them with other systems. Then it&#039;s logical that Wave wins.

As for the last point: it is possible to make a bot that exports the wave. That&#039;s what I think is the greatest feature of Wave: the ability to access the data through an api an build extensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope that Wave will be adopted by many, but right now it doesn&#8217;t look that way. Basically it&#8217;s open now, because we all have invites left, but not many peoople are using it.</p>
<p>In the above list it looks a bit like you have listed all the functions of Wave and then compared them with other systems. Then it&#8217;s logical that Wave wins.</p>
<p>As for the last point: it is possible to make a bot that exports the wave. That&#8217;s what I think is the greatest feature of Wave: the ability to access the data through an api an build extensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate that the intent is to sell books, but isn&#039;t this chart not making a fair comparison? It&#039;s not being compared to other collaboration software, but instead ticking off all the things it can do.

I could draft a similar chart saying that my iPhone compares favorably to a phone, a media player, a GPS unit, a PDA, and a UMPC, but it would be hugely misleading to not mention Android Phones, the Pre, Symbian, etc etc. In that vein, the omission of Basecamp, Sharepoint, and so on give the false impression that Wave is unique in its class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that the intent is to sell books, but isn&#8217;t this chart not making a fair comparison? It&#8217;s not being compared to other collaboration software, but instead ticking off all the things it can do.</p>
<p>I could draft a similar chart saying that my iPhone compares favorably to a phone, a media player, a GPS unit, a PDA, and a UMPC, but it would be hugely misleading to not mention Android Phones, the Pre, Symbian, etc etc. In that vein, the omission of Basecamp, Sharepoint, and so on give the false impression that Wave is unique in its class.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohnish Thallavajhula</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohnish Thallavajhula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome Gina. Good one. Keep up the great work. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome Gina. Good one. Keep up the great work. <img src='http://smarterware.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: aburchill</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>aburchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my comparison to Office Web Docs which is currently in Beta (like Google Docs and Wave)... 

Hope this formating comes out... 


 
  Feature
  Microsoft Office Web Access
 
 
  A
  single, hosted copy of a conversation or document
  Yes
 
 
  The
  ability to see when contacts are online
  Yes
 
 
  Instant
  messaging or chat, with no-refresh updates
  Yes
 
 
  Keystroke-by-keystroke
  live updates with multiple visible cursors
  No
 
 
  Simultaneous
  editing of one document by multiple collaborators
  Yes
 
 
  Edit
  rights to other participants&#039; contributions
  Yes
 
 
  The
  ability to see and compare past versions
  Yes
 
 
  Interactive
  maps, videos, polls and other widgets
  Limited
 
 
  Inline
  replies and threaded conversations
  No
 
 
  Ability
  to easily publish the conversation or document
  Yes
 
 
  User
  access permissions (read-only or edit)
  Yes
 
 
  Ability
  to easily link documents to each other
  Yes
 
 
  Ability
  to export the finished document to a file
  Yes
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my comparison to Office Web Docs which is currently in Beta (like Google Docs and Wave)&#8230; </p>
<p>Hope this formating comes out&#8230; </p>
<p>  Feature<br />
  Microsoft Office Web Access</p>
<p>  A<br />
  single, hosted copy of a conversation or document<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  The<br />
  ability to see when contacts are online<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  Instant<br />
  messaging or chat, with no-refresh updates<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  Keystroke-by-keystroke<br />
  live updates with multiple visible cursors<br />
  No</p>
<p>  Simultaneous<br />
  editing of one document by multiple collaborators<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  Edit<br />
  rights to other participants&#8217; contributions<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  The<br />
  ability to see and compare past versions<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  Interactive<br />
  maps, videos, polls and other widgets<br />
  Limited</p>
<p>  Inline<br />
  replies and threaded conversations<br />
  No</p>
<p>  Ability<br />
  to easily publish the conversation or document<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  User<br />
  access permissions (read-only or edit)<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  Ability<br />
  to easily link documents to each other<br />
  Yes</p>
<p>  Ability<br />
  to export the finished document to a file<br />
  Yes</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow14l Darkness</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadow14l Darkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forums:

-DO tell you when someone is online (at least SMF, IPB, and vB all do).
-May contain chatboxes or shoutboxes, can easily be setup by webmaster. Some are AJAX with no page refresh required.
-Nearly all forums have usergroups, and you can edit posts by any usergroup that is your level or below.
-Forums can easily have widgets added to them. It is very easy to setup a custom bbcode that allows users to add in these types of widgets just like wave has them.
-vBulletin 4 has just released a beta CMS, so you easily add in articles and other stuff. So this should be &#039;Some&#039;.
-In forums, you can easily link together groups, or well it&#039;s not too hard to do anyways, but it is entirely possible. You can either setup topics with similar headers, or have differentiated sections for each forum.

Also you forgot about Etherpad, which many thousands of users DO use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forums:</p>
<p>-DO tell you when someone is online (at least SMF, IPB, and vB all do).<br />
-May contain chatboxes or shoutboxes, can easily be setup by webmaster. Some are AJAX with no page refresh required.<br />
-Nearly all forums have usergroups, and you can edit posts by any usergroup that is your level or below.<br />
-Forums can easily have widgets added to them. It is very easy to setup a custom bbcode that allows users to add in these types of widgets just like wave has them.<br />
-vBulletin 4 has just released a beta CMS, so you easily add in articles and other stuff. So this should be &#8216;Some&#8217;.<br />
-In forums, you can easily link together groups, or well it&#8217;s not too hard to do anyways, but it is entirely possible. You can either setup topics with similar headers, or have differentiated sections for each forum.</p>
<p>Also you forgot about Etherpad, which many thousands of users DO use!</p>
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		<title>By: Pär Dahlberg</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/4725/google-wave-versus-the-rest-feature-by-feature#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Pär Dahlberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve noticed when collaborating with a friend on a Wave is the lack of implicit structure or being able to edit the wave structure. 

I can&#039;t really label that &quot;feature&quot; or describe it very well, but I hope you get what I mean. 

It can very quickly turn into a mess with replays to topics of the same &quot;level&quot; as subthreads to others. In a document or on a wiki I could move a section or a page. Of course I can edit a single message in Wave, but the structure of the conversation can still be very much messed up.

/Pär</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed when collaborating with a friend on a Wave is the lack of implicit structure or being able to edit the wave structure. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really label that &#8220;feature&#8221; or describe it very well, but I hope you get what I mean. </p>
<p>It can very quickly turn into a mess with replays to topics of the same &#8220;level&#8221; as subthreads to others. In a document or on a wiki I could move a section or a page. Of course I can edit a single message in Wave, but the structure of the conversation can still be very much messed up.</p>
<p>/Pär</p>
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