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	<title>Comments on: Snow Leopard Reports Hard Drive Capacity &#8220;Correctly&#8221; (in Base 10)</title>
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		<title>By: Donald Mondragon</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/3122/snow-leopard-reports-hard-drive-capacity-correctly-in-base-10/comment-page-1#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Mondragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this shows is that Apple is conforming to human ignorance.  Computers are binary machines, they compute math in binary as well display graphics on your monitor in binary.  The real victory would be the media manufacturers to start reporting disk sizes in base 2 conformity not base 10.  Just another way marketers are sticking it to the consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this shows is that Apple is conforming to human ignorance.  Computers are binary machines, they compute math in binary as well display graphics on your monitor in binary.  The real victory would be the media manufacturers to start reporting disk sizes in base 2 conformity not base 10.  Just another way marketers are sticking it to the consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/3122/snow-leopard-reports-hard-drive-capacity-correctly-in-base-10/comment-page-1#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick to your guns, Gina; &quot;it&#039;s actually accurate&quot; &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; actually accurate.

That computers function in binary matters not one bit. In fact, the &quot;binary argument&quot; is fundamentally flawed, for several reasons:

1) Computers function in plenty of ways that shouldn&#039;t be displayed to the vast majority of users: they fetch HTML/CSS but show a rendered web page; they read a pattern of real numbers yet play music; they calculate &quot;2+2&quot; as 100, but answer &quot;4&quot;. Arguing for a particular display style, targeted at humans, because it more closely reflects the way the computer works is nonsensical. Computers are supposed to make things easier for people, not the other way around.  Part of that should be displaying numbers that people really understand;

2) The international standard prefixes k, M, G, etc. are all defined as part of the &lt;strong&gt;decimal&lt;/strong&gt; system, as the update to the ZDNet article so wonderfully points out. So 1,000,000,000 bytes = 1 GB, 2^30 bytes = 1 GiB.  Apple is just being consistent with international standards, which is a good thing;

3) The set of digits before the prefix is a decimal number. The units prefix, as a multiplier to that number, should match. (Reading about the Mars Climate Orbiter will, by analogy, tell you why mixing systems is bad.) If the number were displayed in base-2 form as well, I wouldn&#039;t imagine there&#039;d be many complaints about a switch to something more human-friendly;

4) Regardless of how many slices you cut them into, a thousand pizzas is still a thousand pizzas. No one is seriously going to refer to them as 4.63 kilopizzas (1000/(6*6*6)) if they happen to be cut into six slices. So why call 500 billion bytes &quot;465.7 gigabytes&quot; just because of the way computers work internally?; and besides

5) &lt;em&gt;Bytes&lt;/em&gt; aren&#039;t binary; bits are.

I think this is a huge improvement. If it causes confusion in the short term, it&#039;s not the fault of Apple now or hard drive manufacturers, but by all those who should have switched years ago, when computers first started to be used by people other than ubergeeks.  If everyone else follows suit, this&#039;ll be a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick to your guns, Gina; &#8220;it&#8217;s actually accurate&#8221; <em>is</em> actually accurate.</p>
<p>That computers function in binary matters not one bit. In fact, the &#8220;binary argument&#8221; is fundamentally flawed, for several reasons:</p>
<p>1) Computers function in plenty of ways that shouldn&#8217;t be displayed to the vast majority of users: they fetch HTML/CSS but show a rendered web page; they read a pattern of real numbers yet play music; they calculate &#8220;2+2&#8243; as 100, but answer &#8220;4&#8243;. Arguing for a particular display style, targeted at humans, because it more closely reflects the way the computer works is nonsensical. Computers are supposed to make things easier for people, not the other way around.  Part of that should be displaying numbers that people really understand;</p>
<p>2) The international standard prefixes k, M, G, etc. are all defined as part of the <strong>decimal</strong> system, as the update to the ZDNet article so wonderfully points out. So 1,000,000,000 bytes = 1 GB, 2^30 bytes = 1 GiB.  Apple is just being consistent with international standards, which is a good thing;</p>
<p>3) The set of digits before the prefix is a decimal number. The units prefix, as a multiplier to that number, should match. (Reading about the Mars Climate Orbiter will, by analogy, tell you why mixing systems is bad.) If the number were displayed in base-2 form as well, I wouldn&#8217;t imagine there&#8217;d be many complaints about a switch to something more human-friendly;</p>
<p>4) Regardless of how many slices you cut them into, a thousand pizzas is still a thousand pizzas. No one is seriously going to refer to them as 4.63 kilopizzas (1000/(6*6*6)) if they happen to be cut into six slices. So why call 500 billion bytes &#8220;465.7 gigabytes&#8221; just because of the way computers work internally?; and besides</p>
<p>5) <em>Bytes</em> aren&#8217;t binary; bits are.</p>
<p>I think this is a huge improvement. If it causes confusion in the short term, it&#8217;s not the fault of Apple now or hard drive manufacturers, but by all those who should have switched years ago, when computers first started to be used by people other than ubergeeks.  If everyone else follows suit, this&#8217;ll be a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbismal</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/3122/snow-leopard-reports-hard-drive-capacity-correctly-in-base-10/comment-page-1#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbismal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait.. What! Why is this so hard?  When I buy a gallon of milk, it&#039;s not OK to get home and find out it&#039;s &quot;really&quot; only 3/4 of a gallon. First I have to explain to my non tech friends why the hard drive they bought isn&#039;t as big as the box says it is.  Now I&#039;ve got to try to explain why it won&#039;t fit all the data on the drive that their Mac is telling them it should.   

PLEASE just sell me a 931.322GB hard drive.  Don&#039;t call it a 1TB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.. What! Why is this so hard?  When I buy a gallon of milk, it&#8217;s not OK to get home and find out it&#8217;s &#8220;really&#8221; only 3/4 of a gallon. First I have to explain to my non tech friends why the hard drive they bought isn&#8217;t as big as the box says it is.  Now I&#8217;ve got to try to explain why it won&#8217;t fit all the data on the drive that their Mac is telling them it should.   </p>
<p>PLEASE just sell me a 931.322GB hard drive.  Don&#8217;t call it a 1TB.</p>
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		<title>By: David Singer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit I&#039;m with the general feeling of the commenters here.  I think this is anything but a correction.  It&#039;s marketing over tech, and when I see it I feel like they&#039;re stretching the truth, not making a proper a adjustment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I&#8217;m with the general feeling of the commenters here.  I think this is anything but a correction.  It&#8217;s marketing over tech, and when I see it I feel like they&#8217;re stretching the truth, not making a proper a adjustment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchel Laman</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/3122/snow-leopard-reports-hard-drive-capacity-correctly-in-base-10/comment-page-1#comment-979</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchel Laman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some other results I found:

http://mlaman.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some other results I found:</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Trapani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Trapani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic discussion here folks, thank you. I&#039;ve updated the post to clarify; I should not have used the word correctly without qualifying. Thanks again for all your educational feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic discussion here folks, thank you. I&#8217;ve updated the post to clarify; I should not have used the word correctly without qualifying. Thanks again for all your educational feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchel Laman</title>
		<link>http://smarterware.org/3122/snow-leopard-reports-hard-drive-capacity-correctly-in-base-10/comment-page-1#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchel Laman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe, Gina, this is an &#039;accounting adjustment&#039;  Here are the numbers from my upgrade:

Before:
Capacity - 185.99
Used - 91.37
Available - 94.62

After:
Capacity - 199.71
Used - 93.54
Available - 106.17

So even though I &#039;have&#039; 12GB more space, the accounting change was nearly 15GB and my &#039;used&#039; space increased by 2.2GB.

I assumed from Apple that maybe the operating system was 7GB more efficient.  Maybe not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe, Gina, this is an &#8216;accounting adjustment&#8217;  Here are the numbers from my upgrade:</p>
<p>Before:<br />
Capacity &#8211; 185.99<br />
Used &#8211; 91.37<br />
Available &#8211; 94.62</p>
<p>After:<br />
Capacity &#8211; 199.71<br />
Used &#8211; 93.54<br />
Available &#8211; 106.17</p>
<p>So even though I &#8216;have&#8217; 12GB more space, the accounting change was nearly 15GB and my &#8216;used&#8217; space increased by 2.2GB.</p>
<p>I assumed from Apple that maybe the operating system was 7GB more efficient.  Maybe not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: emailtoid.net/i/0a849315/&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>emailtoid.net/i/0a849315/&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This only works if everyone follows. Someone had to be first. Either the Storage Companies, The hardware distributors and/or the OS builders. Apple started well, but they should have changed it all over the OS (say in iTunes too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This only works if everyone follows. Someone had to be first. Either the Storage Companies, The hardware distributors and/or the OS builders. Apple started well, but they should have changed it all over the OS (say in iTunes too)</p>
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		<title>By: weebeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>weebeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, I too, find this a strange thing to champion.  I guess, as a geek, I&#039;ve long been annoyed by this storage-manufacturer chicanery.  The introduction of base 10 as ANY MEASURE of binary storage was a screwball, dishonest maneuver to start.  Joe consumer would never have been confused if not for this convenient &quot;adjustment&quot;.  Something is either a certain size, or it is not (how&#039;s that for binary?).  I get that there&#039;s confusion, of the &quot;I&#039;ve been short-changed variety&quot;, certainly for me whenever time I plug in storage advertised as one thing, but it&#039;s REALLY 7% LESS.  Why should I EXPECT it to be what it says on the box?  What am I crazy?  Truth in advertising?  I think Apple &quot;reporting&quot; the &quot;real&quot; size is them currying favor with storage manufacturers. Is it Apple accepting reality, or...Apple making people FEEL better about storage on an Apple (welcome to the RDF) ???  You could call it smart.  I could call the whole thing total BS.  So I am.  Regardless..., thanks for what you do Gina - I really appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, I too, find this a strange thing to champion.  I guess, as a geek, I&#8217;ve long been annoyed by this storage-manufacturer chicanery.  The introduction of base 10 as ANY MEASURE of binary storage was a screwball, dishonest maneuver to start.  Joe consumer would never have been confused if not for this convenient &#8220;adjustment&#8221;.  Something is either a certain size, or it is not (how&#8217;s that for binary?).  I get that there&#8217;s confusion, of the &#8220;I&#8217;ve been short-changed variety&#8221;, certainly for me whenever time I plug in storage advertised as one thing, but it&#8217;s REALLY 7% LESS.  Why should I EXPECT it to be what it says on the box?  What am I crazy?  Truth in advertising?  I think Apple &#8220;reporting&#8221; the &#8220;real&#8221; size is them currying favor with storage manufacturers. Is it Apple accepting reality, or&#8230;Apple making people FEEL better about storage on an Apple (welcome to the RDF) ???  You could call it smart.  I could call the whole thing total BS.  So I am.  Regardless&#8230;, thanks for what you do Gina &#8211; I really appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudd Zwolinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudd Zwolinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple is hardly doing the right thing. Hard drive manufacturers have been using base 10 forever simply for marketing reasons. 250 GB sounds better than the 232 GB you get in base 2 for your 250 billion bytes.

But Apple giving into the manufacturer way is not only annoying to those who understand the 1000/1024 distinction, but it comes at the worst possible time. With solid state drives becoming popular, we are finally actually going to be listing the real capacity of drives. A 256 GB SSD is now going to be shown in OS X as having more than 256 GB.

Apple made the wrong decision here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple is hardly doing the right thing. Hard drive manufacturers have been using base 10 forever simply for marketing reasons. 250 GB sounds better than the 232 GB you get in base 2 for your 250 billion bytes.</p>
<p>But Apple giving into the manufacturer way is not only annoying to those who understand the 1000/1024 distinction, but it comes at the worst possible time. With solid state drives becoming popular, we are finally actually going to be listing the real capacity of drives. A 256 GB SSD is now going to be shown in OS X as having more than 256 GB.</p>
<p>Apple made the wrong decision here.</p>
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