Comments on: When You Put Data In, You Should Be Able to Get It Out http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out Use your head (and great software) Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:37:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Terry Karney http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-753 Terry Karney Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:46:13 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-753 Fletcher Fowler: The only thing about the iPod which is, "can't get back what you put in" is the renaming. I have used mine as a disk drive to move music. The file names are all hashed (AABA AADG ASEF, etc. ) but iTunes recognised them, so I have all the names on the iPod. I could go and play them in a different player (they are still mp3s) and rename them, but right now I don't need to, and I'm lazy. Fletcher Fowler: The only thing about the iPod which is, “can’t get back what you put in” is the renaming. I have used mine as a disk drive to move music. The file names are all hashed (AABA AADG ASEF, etc. ) but iTunes recognised them, so I have all the names on the iPod. I could go and play them in a different player (they are still mp3s) and rename them, but right now I don’t need to, and I’m lazy.

]]> By: Terry Karney http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-752 Terry Karney Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:43:13 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-752 There is a work around for flickr. Any user can create a group. Any photo posted to a group is visible, so long as it hasn't been deleted. Groups access can be fine tuned; at least as well as account access. Which means one can make a group (before the pumpkin limit of 200) and still get at the pictures. I don't know (because I have a "pro" account, if one can use this workaround to edit photos, behind the magi 200, but I know they can still be seen. There is a work around for flickr.

Any user can create a group. Any photo posted to a group is visible, so long as it hasn’t been deleted.

Groups access can be fine tuned; at least as well as account access.

Which means one can make a group (before the pumpkin limit of 200) and still get at the pictures. I don’t know (because I have a “pro” account, if one can use this workaround to edit photos, behind the magi 200, but I know they can still be seen.

]]> By: Philippe Nicolai-Dashwood http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-750 Philippe Nicolai-Dashwood Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:33:15 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-750 Given the number of persons commenting here signed up through Facebook, I am surprised FB has not been frowned upon yet for not allowing to backup your contacts details. I am a nomad user not always using my own computers and I consider quite harmful to have to deal with these "software apps" / "webapps" (we all heard about convergence, right?0 which does not allow me to backup reliably data produced from anywhere else than the comfort of my "sweet home"!! There is definitely something to do with cloud computing for domestic individual users :) Given the number of persons commenting here signed up through Facebook, I am surprised FB has not been frowned upon yet for not allowing to backup your contacts details.

I am a nomad user not always using my own computers and I consider quite harmful to have to deal with these “software apps” / “webapps” (we all heard about convergence, right?0 which does not allow me to backup reliably data produced from anywhere else than the comfort of my “sweet home”!!

There is definitely something to do with cloud computing for domestic individual users :)

]]> By: kastein http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-745 kastein Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:49:16 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-745 I feel for the flickr users, they might actually be losing something important and useful if they were silly enough to not save the photos locally as well... but who cares about twitter posts that old? Heck, who cares about twitter posts from more than a week ago? I feel for the flickr users, they might actually be losing something important and useful if they were silly enough to not save the photos locally as well…

but who cares about twitter posts that old? Heck, who cares about twitter posts from more than a week ago?

]]> By: RighteousDork http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-740 RighteousDork Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:27:43 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-740 For those of you with Evernote, there is an option to essentially <a href="http://twitter.com/myen" rel="nofollow">backup your tweets</a>. I've not used it yet because I don't really have anything on Twitter worth saving, but I can see why someone may want to archive certain messages or conversations. > Giannicolus Jones: I recently went back through my older posts in Facebook and it does seem to go back to the start of your profile. At least for me, but keep in mind I'm not a heavy user. It is frustrating though to have to page back through all of it a little bit at a time. <i>Editor: fixed broken link up above, sorry there's no preview!</i> For those of you with Evernote, there is an option to essentially backup your tweets. I’ve not used it yet because I don’t really have anything on Twitter worth saving, but I can see why someone may want to archive certain messages or conversations.

> Giannicolus Jones:

I recently went back through my older posts in Facebook and it does seem to go back to the start of your profile. At least for me, but keep in mind I’m not a heavy user. It is frustrating though to have to page back through all of it a little bit at a time.

Editor: fixed broken link up above, sorry there’s no preview!

]]> By: erier2003 http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-739 erier2003 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:47:17 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-739 Twitter doesn't let you see updates older than your 3,200th post? I can't believe it. I mean, I believe you Gina, but this just seems contrary to the Twitter ethos. Wow, I'm now very mad at Twitter. Twitter doesn’t let you see updates older than your 3,200th post? I can’t believe it. I mean, I believe you Gina, but this just seems contrary to the Twitter ethos. Wow, I’m now very mad at Twitter.

]]> By: Mihai Parparita http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-736 Mihai Parparita Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:52:28 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-736 @mrhaydel We've tried to make it as easy as possible to get data out of Reader. If you go to the "Your stuff" -> "Shared items" link (or http://www.google.com/reader/view/user/-/state/com.google/broadcast) you'll be able to see all your shared items. Similarly, search will act over all of the items you've ever read, shared, etc. Additionally, shared items are available as an Atom feed (see the auto-discovery tag on the shared items page), so it should be easy to do automated exports too. Mihai Parparita Google Reader Engineer @mrhaydel We’ve tried to make it as easy as possible to get data out of Reader. If you go to the “Your stuff” -> “Shared items” link (or http://www.google.com/reader/view/user/-/state/com.google/broadcast) you’ll be able to see all your shared items. Similarly, search will act over all of the items you’ve ever read, shared, etc. Additionally, shared items are available as an Atom feed (see the auto-discovery tag on the shared items page), so it should be easy to do automated exports too.

Mihai Parparita
Google Reader Engineer

]]> By: poscogrubb http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-735 poscogrubb Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:29:00 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-735 I'm with the first commenter. You're confusing "software applications" with "free webapps". With software running on your computer, you can get any data out because you've paid for the resources for data in, data out: your computer's RAM and HDD, software, ISP, etc. With online services, somebody else has to pay the bills for storing, transporting, and displaying your bits. It totally makes sense that webapp for which you are not paying limits the amount of data you can put in or take out. I’m with the first commenter.

You’re confusing “software applications” with “free webapps”. With software running on your computer, you can get any data out because you’ve paid for the resources for data in, data out: your computer’s RAM and HDD, software, ISP, etc. With online services, somebody else has to pay the bills for storing, transporting, and displaying your bits.

It totally makes sense that webapp for which you are not paying limits the amount of data you can put in or take out.

]]> By: Jeffrey McManus http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-732 Jeffrey McManus Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:40:37 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-732 Did Twitter post a sign out front saying "dead content storage"? No? Because storing dead content isn't their business. My expectation is that everything I post to Twitter is ephemeral. If it survives for a week, I'm grateful. (It's not like anybody is paying Twitter anything for its service.) If I have something to write that I want to preserve, I post it to my blog (or, if it's a link, I save it to Delicious). And this is not about "trusting the cloud". It's about using the right tool for the job. Did Twitter post a sign out front saying “dead content storage”? No? Because storing dead content isn’t their business.

My expectation is that everything I post to Twitter is ephemeral. If it survives for a week, I’m grateful. (It’s not like anybody is paying Twitter anything for its service.) If I have something to write that I want to preserve, I post it to my blog (or, if it’s a link, I save it to Delicious).

And this is not about “trusting the cloud”. It’s about using the right tool for the job.

]]> By: Daniel Clark http://smarterware.org/2486/when-you-put-data-in-you-should-be-able-to-get-it-out/comment-page-1#comment-731 Daniel Clark Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:19:44 +0000 http://smarterware.org/?p=2486#comment-731 People back up their twitter stream? Seriously? For what? If you tweet a link, bookmark it in your browser. If you say something witty, or insightful, or noteworthy, put it in a proper blog or in a text file on your computer. If you're over 3200 tweets - and I am - how many of those do you *really* think are worth saving? And why would you expect a free service to do it for you? Flickr, I understand. You've got photos that you've uploaded, and it's outrageous that they would deny you access unless you pay. In that case, they're keeping your content and holding it hostage. But Twitter? Seriously? People back up their twitter stream? Seriously? For what? If you tweet a link, bookmark it in your browser. If you say something witty, or insightful, or noteworthy, put it in a proper blog or in a text file on your computer. If you’re over 3200 tweets – and I am – how many of those do you *really* think are worth saving? And why would you expect a free service to do it for you?

Flickr, I understand. You’ve got photos that you’ve uploaded, and it’s outrageous that they would deny you access unless you pay. In that case, they’re keeping your content and holding it hostage.

But Twitter? Seriously?

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